Tuesday Economic Roundtable
From the Federal Reserve:
FOMC statement
The Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) meets this afternoon, the policy statement is expected at 2:15pm EST.
From Bloomberg:
Fed Officials Gather as Growth, Prices Send Conflicting Signals
FOMC statement
The Federal Open Market Committee decided today to keep its target for the federal funds rate at 5-1/4 percent.
Economic growth has moderated from its quite strong pace earlier this year, partly reflecting a gradual cooling of the housing market and the lagged effects of increases in interest rates and energy prices.
Readings on core inflation have been elevated in recent months, and the high levels of resource utilization and of the prices of energy and other commodities have the potential to sustain inflation pressures. However, inflation pressures seem likely to moderate over time, reflecting contained inflation expectations and the cumulative effects of monetary policy actions and other factors restraining aggregate demand.
Nonetheless, the Committee judges that some inflation risks remain. The extent and timing of any additional firming that may be needed to address these risks will depend on the evolution of the outlook for both inflation and economic growth, as implied by incoming information.
Voting for the FOMC monetary policy action were: Ben S. Bernanke, Chairman; Timothy F. Geithner, Vice Chairman; Susan S. Bies; Jack Guynn; Donald L. Kohn; Randall S. Kroszner; Sandra Pianalto; Kevin M. Warsh; and Janet L. Yellen. Voting against was Jeffrey M. Lacker, who preferred an increase of 25 basis points in the federal funds rate target at this meeting.
The Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) meets this afternoon, the policy statement is expected at 2:15pm EST.
From Bloomberg:
Fed Officials Gather as Growth, Prices Send Conflicting Signals
Federal Reserve policy makers walk into their meeting today facing conflicting economic risks as they consider pausing after 17 straight interest-rate increases.
Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and his colleagues on the Federal Open Market Committee must choose between extending the two-year tightening and exacerbating an economic slowdown or risk falling behind as prices climb.
Economists at most of Wall Street's biggest firms expect the Fed to keep its rate at 5.25 percent, while Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Mizuho Securities USA Inc. are among a minority anticipating a quarter-point increase. In the event policy makers do take a breather, the statement after the meeting will likely flag they still have more work in front of them.
``Inflation is above where they would like it to be and accelerating,'' said Stephen Stanley, chief economist at RBS Greenwich Capital Markets, in Greenwich, Connecticut. ``There will be a very clear signal in the statement that a pause does not mean they are done and risks on inflation remain on the upside.''
...
The Fed may take out some insurance against the prospect of a wrong forecast and burnish Bernanke's inflation-fighting credentials by opting for tighter credit today, said Glenn Haberbush, an economist at Mizuho. The firm is one of the five primary dealers predicting a surprise increase.
``Bernanke is very much viewed as having a dovish policy inclination,'' said Haberbush, who is based in New York. ``If he goes to 5.5 percent, it almost makes for a better scenario. It will allow Bernanke to shed some of those dovish feathers and move to a more moderate policy inclination.''
44 Comments:
Countrywide Credit largest mortgage lenders calls for "HARD LANDING" housing.
BOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAA
Bob
Market is already rallying with expectations of a pause, so the experts are betting on it.
I've seen a lot of language around Bernanke "having some balls" would raise.
Personally, I agree with the "its only one pause, he can raise next time" notion, but I don't think he'll pause. I think there are a few more rungs on the ladder before the fed rate normalizes.
The market seems too complacent, too sure the Fed is going to pause. A contrarian indicator? I'm really not sure. On the bright side, we'll have our answer in 6 hours.
grim
The last piece of data before the FOMC meeting was released at 8:30 this morning.
U.S. Q2 productivity up 1.1%, unit labor costs up 4.2%
Productivity of the U.S. non-farm business sector rose at a 1.1% annual rate in the second quarter, the Labor Department estimated Tuesday. Unit labor costs - a key gauge of inflationary pressures - rose 4.2% annualized - the most since the fourth quarter of 2004. Both measures were above expectations. Economists were expecting productivity to rise 0.9% in the second quarter. They forecast unit labor costs to rise 3.5%. In the first quarter, productivity was revised to a 4.3% increase from 3.7% previously. First quarter unit labor costs rose 2.5% rather than the 1.6% increase originally reported. On a year-on-year basis, productivity is up 2.4%. Unit labor costs were up 3.2% year-on-year, the fastest pace since the fourth quarter of 2000.
Good day all,
I hope the fed doesn't pause. I don't think they will. I don't think Ben is that yellow, I think he got so beat up about the "helicopter ben speech" that his crediability is on the line here. The dollar and inflation is the most important thing right now. because with out it, there goes the foreigners propping us up.
Its better to "risk" a recession and have a bursting of the housing bubble than have the dollar fall to dangerous lows. In my opinion...
Come on, what is a recession these days anyway? Ohh...joe six pack only shoves one big mac instead of two into his fat face.
If the fed does pause, at least we now know what kind of fed we have to deal with over the years.
SAS
PS-Obesity is an epidemic in this country killing thousands a day, forget the god damn bird flu. Are you a bird? Do you have the same cell receptors as a bird? No, you do not, so don't worry about it. Instead, get off the debt wagon and on the treadmill.
When are people going to figure out that inflation has nothing to do with what the Fed does? Inflation is completely a product of the govt increasing the money supply faster than GDP is increasing. Nothing more, nothing less. What the Fed is doing is raising rates so we can keep finding idiots to continue to finance our debt. They are only related inasmuch at the govt has incentive to generate inflation as they are a huge net debtor.
SAS,
Look at the lunch crowd at the fat food joints.
BOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAA
Bob
The Fed's mandate is price stability, not appeasing the masses.
Hers's one for ya bubbleheads.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAA
Bob
anon 8/08/2006 11:10:02 AM,
I understand what you are saying?? I think I do anyways. So, lets level the playing field a little here, and elaborate a little so I get completley what you are saying.
The govt gets money by three ways:
tax, borrow, or print.
The federal reserve is neither federal nor do they have any reserves. They are a private banking cartel. Matter of fact, you will find the federal reserve in the yellow pages, right next to Fed Ex.
The feds control the printing presses (i know there will be debate about this one, but lets just assume its true because in my mind its true).
ok, with these points in mind, please continue. I think you brought up a valid point, but you need to tease it more and bring it to light.
;)
SAS
Anyone else think its a coincidence that earlier this year the govt announced that it was going to stop publishing M3 (ie, money supply) numbers? I think they're afraid their farce is being figured out....
Anonymous said...
What the Fed is doing is raising rates so we can keep finding idiots to continue to finance our debt.
Not true. If this was the case why do we have an inverted yield curve??
The federal funds rate is the interest rate at which depository institutions lend balances at the Federal Reserve to other depository institutions overnight. It is simply the overnight bank to bank rate. Look to the 10 year not the FFR to see who is financing our debt. If you want to see what the market is saying about inflation look to the floors of the Chi Bot. It is very confusing right now. Are they telling us we are heading into a recession (long end yielding less than short end) or is there something more at play as compared to simple fundamentals, i.e. deals with China and Opec to buy excessively to finance us to attempt to keep this whole thing from cracking. Just a thought!!!!
BC Bob
Anyone else think its a coincidence that earlier this year the govt announced that it was going to stop publishing M3 (ie, money supply) numbers? I think they're afraid their farce is being figured out....
I am right there with you. I have felt the same all along.
BC Bob
"Not true. If this was the case why do we have an inverted yield curve??"
Because the only rate that the Fed controls is the short term rate. A quick raise there will invert the curve, but it will ultimately work its way down. At the end of the day, treasuries are trading much cheaper than they were a year ago, and it is almost entirely because of 18 straight tightenings.
BC Bob,
I think that anon fellow was on to something, but I think he may have chose the wrong words to explain himself, which may lead one to a different interpretation. Perhaps he will clarify later?
SAS
Oh - one more thing - one of the reasons they gave to eliminate M3 is to "save money". LOL - seriously - when was the last time you heard a govt agency willingly cutting to save money?
FlatSix
At the end of the day, treasuries are trading much cheaper than they were a year ago, and it is almost entirely because of 18 straight tightenings.
8/08/2006 11:49:32 AM
This may play a role but not necessarily the case. If this was true why are inverted yield curves rare???
The fed is saying one thing, the long end something else. If the long end agreed with the fed these rates would be higher. An investor in the long end needs to be compensated for undertaking the additional risk (time). It is apparent the long end does not see this risk. Again, there is a possibility something else is causing this rather than normal fundamentals
BC Bob
Some light reading for this evening:
FOMC Communications and the Predictability of Near-Term Policy Decisions
I guess I should warn you, if I turn out to be particularly clear, you’ve probably misunderstood what I’ve said.
-Alan Greenspan
grim
"This may play a role but not necessarily the case. If this was true why are inverted yield curves rare???"
Rare? The thing has been inverted for years at a time, including right now (as the Fed is raising rates and lifting up the short end).
Read ya bubbleheads. This tsunami is coming your way.
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here's another one.
I know real estate is the best investment 'Always".
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jb
The Fed pauses!
Look how this home builder stock plummeted after August 2005:
http://tinyurl.com/l5w8r
(link to chart)
"However, inflation pressures seem likely to moderate over time, reflecting contained inflation expectations and the cumulative effects of monetary policy actions and other factors restraining aggregate demand."
My *ss. The cumulative effects of monetary policies including printing money like confetti?
Pat
.....and the indexes go.. RED?
What?
grim
focus on this....
"The extent and timing of any additional firming that may be needed to address these risks will depend on the evolution of the outlook for both inflation and economic growth, as implied by incoming information."
they ain't done folks
and the market tanks.
what crap.
inflation is moderating?
what planet are these people on?
For those who aren't Fed watchers, there are 3 more FOMC meetings scheduled for this year:
September 20th
October 24-25th
December 12th
If the Fed is unduly influenced by politics [unknown, but Ben looks yellow], scratch off that October meeting for a hike.
grim said...
.....and the indexes go.. RED?
What?
grim
8/08/2006 02:30:55 PM
extention of Friday's selling
Crack addicted traders already price in a full-stop, and they ain't going to get that confirmation yet. Wait until 3:30PM to really assess the reaction.
From Bloomberg:
Richmond Fed's Lacker Votes Against Leaving Rate Unchanged
Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond President Jeffrey Lacker, who has warned of complacency in fighting inflation, disagreed with the Fed's decision today to forgo an interest-rate increase.
The rebellion is the first on the Federal Open Market Committee since Ben S. Bernanke became chairman in February and the only one since Hurricane Katrina came ashore last August, displacing millions and killing more than 1,800 people. He argued for a quarter-point rate increase.
Lacker, 50, who has led the Richmond Fed for two years, may try to persuade the central bank to resume lifting rates in September, with inflation exceeding the fed's comfort zone. As research director of the Richmond Fed, he was an advisor to Al Broaddus, who cast six dissenting votes in the mid-1990s in favor of stronger Fed action to quash inflation.
``The Richmond Fed has historically been for strong money,'' said Mark Vitner, a senior economist a Wachovia Corp. in Charlotte, North Carolina. ``This adds hawkishness to the pause. This increases the odds of a September move, though only modestly so.''
I cut and pasted some quotes from MSNBCs blog. What a bunch of morons.
"Leaving the rates alone is long overdue. It's time to realize the true cause of the rise in consumer prices is all about energy. This needs to be separated from any evaluation of how much of an effect inflation is having on the economy. Sometimes it seems as if the folks in the big chairs have no idea what we middle class folks have to deal with. Rising interest rates will kill the economy not to mention rob people trying to sell their homes any time soon. Economics is a game any way you look at it."
Here's another smart one.
This government and its' departments are so out of touch with reality , that it is a shame. Every time Bernanke raises rates, he costs people their homes. But yet, the "raising of rates" will ward off inflation is as credible as that we are winning in Iraq. Pry it out of your backside and do something for the average American for a change!
"Leaving the rates alone is long overdue. It's time to realize the true cause of the rise in consumer prices is all about energy. This needs to be separated from any evaluation of how much of an effect inflation is having on the economy. Sometimes it seems as if the folks in the big chairs have no idea what we middle class folks have to deal with. Rising interest rates will kill the economy not to mention rob people trying to sell their homes any time soon. Economics is a game any way you look at it."
Of course - the goal of any central bank is to prop up housing prices should someone want to sell their home..... *sigh*
Chaka Chong
Bonds will rally, the dollar will fall. Bill Gross expects bonds to rally all the way to 4.2-4.3%. Given that the dollar will fall off a cliff now, a Bond rally will definitely be needed in order to provide a status quo to the Chinese, Saudis, Russians etc. and persuade them to hold on to their treasuries, and to add some more. This will be the new game being played over the next year.
It will reduce the FRM back to under 6%, but doubt that it will incentivize RE any more. For that, the Fed would have to cut all the way back to 3% to enable lenders to provide those 1% teaser ARMs again.
However, this may entice those buyers who have been sitting on cash for their downpayments since 2004 or so. In Spring 2007 with housing prices about 15% off peak, and their cash having accumulated 10-12% over the last 2 years, and the 30yr FRM at about 5.75%, these buyers may get a cumulative approx 25% off from peak 2005 housing costs.
If this happens, it might put a floor under prices. However, no one can accurately predict what would happen if there is a surge in inventory due to ARM resetting foreclosures.
Stagflation!!! I called it like 2 months ago, and certain people here said I was nuts! I told you so...buhaaaaaaaaaa
JWR
I keep forgetting ...
Are "we" the bubbleheads,or are "they"?
I'm not really sure, it sounds a bit derogatory, so I hope it's not us..
Looks like Ben may be yellow afterall.
But if I was a betting man (and I am, always hit on a soft 17). I would say that the other bankers influenced Ben too much.
Although there language hinted at more hikes down the pipeline. I don't understand the pause. Maybe they know something we don't?
Either way, I disagree with the pause, and I really hope to see a hike come next meeting. If we see one more pause, this Fed really is yellow. And all you guys better plan on working to the day you drop, because your salary isn't going to be worth much.
But, hey...we always have WalMart to increase your standard of living and really make that dollar stretch.
;)
SAS
btw-
the fed is quasi govt.
They are a private banking cartel.
Kinda like a FredMac (i know, bad example, but you get the idea).
SAS
I know the Fed sees their role as primarily inflation fighters, but could part of the decision on this round to hold off on a rate increase thinking that they might start a domino effect and "crash" a high number of ARM holders, precipitating a more widespread crisis not just in RE but in the banking community/mortgage holders as well...?
anon /08/2006 08:49:48 PM,
Valid point, but my only rebuttal to that is on a whole, not many Americans have ARM loans, just the recent idiots. Yes there are alot of ARM people, but on a whole, most people do not. So, I don't really think ARMs bankrupts were on the Feds minds.
I could be wrong, but hey...I am not helicopter Ben.
;)
SAS
But investors may want to steer clear of regional banks with major exposure to home loans, since more consumers will likely default on their mortgages if the economy goes sour. "That concerns us," Sorensen says.
from cnn business on stocks that will ride out the stay in interest rates.
http://tinyurl.com/qyrqd
yes RentinginNJ, very well said. Your opinion is noted.
Like I always tell people who do things on margin:
"if it goes up by 5%...hey your really smart......, but if it goes down by 5%....you lost it all."
Remeber, I am saying this with a hint of sarcasm.
; )
SAS
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